Liev Schreiber Breaks Down His Most Iconic Characters
A Small Light premieres Monday, May 1, at 9/8c on National Geographic with two back-to-back episodes. New episodes will debut every Monday at 9/8c on National Geographic and will stream next day on Disney+ and Hulu.
Director: Chris Smith
Director of Photography: Premiere TV
Editor: Graham Mooney
Celebrity Talent: Liev Schreiber
Executive Producer: Traci Oshiro
Producer: Jean-Luc Lukunku
Line Producer: Jen Santos
Production Manager: James Pipitone
Production Coordinator: Jamal Colvin
Talent Booker: Meredith Judkins
Camera Operator: Premiere TV
Audio: Premiere TV
Associate Director of Post Production: Jarrod Bruner
Post Production Supervisor: Rachael Knight
Post Production Coordinator: Ian Bryant
Supervising Editor: Rob Lombardi
Assistant Editor: Courtney Karwal
Released on 05/22/2023
Sid, you okay?
Cotton.
Can we talk for a sec?
Mm-mm.
This isn't a good time. [Cotton scoffs]
Come on, Sid.
You sent me to prison.
I did over a year for you. You can give me two minutes.
At that point in my career,
I didn't really fully understand
the value of being in a franchise.
I was just like, How many times can I play this character?
And now I realize
that you can play that character
as many times as they want you to.
[upbeat music]
Ray Donovan.
You got a job for me, tell me what it is.
If not, thanks for the pen. You got a nice house.
No, wait, Mr. Donovan.
Exactly what do you do?
I knew what a fixer was.
I mean, they've been around forever
and in the old days,
when, in the studio system,
when actors were under contract
to various studios,
there were these guys who were contracted to protect them
and to keep them out of trouble and harm's way,
which, with some of these actors, was fairly difficult.
So that was the first incarnation of fixers
that I knew about,
and then, of course,
as we moved into the age of litigation,
they became some of these insane lawyers
who go above and beyond
the boundaries of what their practice allows them to do
to protect their clients and to go after people.
After doing it for seven years,
it was a dual-edged sword.
I was relieved to be done,
but I was also disappointed
that we didn't have a chance to finish
the arc,
the narrative.
It felt early.
It felt like we hadn't done that,
we hadn't achieved that yet
with where we stopped,
and then the next thing was just how,
you know, you shoot these things
and you do this work
kind of in a bubble.
Like, in the theater,
you have an audience
and you can feel them reacting,
but sometimes with these TV shows,
you don't know.
You don't know what's out there
and you don't realize
the extent of the support you have,
and I was really, really moved
by how upset the fans were
that we got canceled
and how they rallied
to get us to finish our story,
and that was a great feeling.
♪ So ♪
♪ Tell me I'm crazy ♪
♪ Maybe I know ♪
♪ Can't help ♪
We did our best with the time we had
and the shot we had,
but, you know, Ray could've gone a lot further.
I don't know if anybody's really interested in,
you know, Ray with a colostomy bag,
but I was really, really grateful
that people stayed with us so long
and that people cared about us enough
to actually write to the network
and petition to have us complete our narrative.
And as far as I was concerned, the movie was for the fans.
Well, it was actually an episode
from a previous season
that I'd already started to work on with David
that we ended up expanding
into what became the movie.
So we'd already started that work
and it was me really loving the actors
who played Young Ray and Young Mickey
and wanting to fill in some of those blanks
to sort of do the origin story a little bit
and pursue that.
It was an extraordinary cast.
That was like, that was probably the hardest part
of leaving that show
is that that becomes your family
and Jon will always be like a brother to me,
and Eddie and Dash
and Paula,
Pooch.
It's hard to describe that feeling
of how close you get
when you work together that much
over that long a period of time,
and then to not see each other
was a really hard period of adjustment for me.
[upbeat music]
Scream 1 through 3.
I thought it was super cool.
I mean, I'd never worked in the movie business, really,
and suddenly, here I was at this thing
that was like
really a hot ticket.
Yeah, the decoy scripts
and signing NDAs.
I didn't think I would ever have to do something like that,
but, yeah, I was very excited.
All I knew about the first Scream
is I hadn't really done much at that point.
I'd just gotten outta school
and I was like, This is the most
anyone is ever gonna pay me
to walk up some stairs,
'cause that was really all I had to do
in the first Scream.
And then the film just took off
on the backs of all these other actors
and Kevin and Wes.
It was a phenomenon.
I had lucked myself into a job,
'cause it was ongoing.
And then we did Scream 2
and ultimately, Scream 3.
Kevin really was the genius
behind the script
and he was open to collaboration
and all I remember was thinking,
You know, this guy's kind of a ham,
Cotton.
He likes attention.
I think that was the piece
that Kevin was interested in,
that he sort of ran with.
I think I suggested something like,
Everybody gets their 15 minutes. Cotton wants an hour.
No, uh-uh, Sidney.
I don't know,
maybe because I fucking deserve a little exposure.
[Cotton laughs]
I mean, come on, Sidney.
You drag my name through the mud.
Everybody thinks I'm some kind of psycho killer,
and all I'm asking for
is one little fucking Diane Sawyer interview
to maybe get my side.
At that point in my career,
I didn't really fully understand
the value of being in a franchise.
To be frank, I was like,
Let me get out of this
while I can.
Get out,
get out while things are going well,
and I just thought it would be fun
to be one of the iconic kills from the top.
I was working and doing a lot of stuff,
a lot of other stuff in New York in theater
and I was just like,
How many times can I play this character?
And now I realize
that you can play that character
as many times as they want you to.
I kind of suggested that they knock me off.
Part of the device of the movies was that
somebody in the first five minutes gets killed
and we really don't expect them to get killed.
Which, now, I'm kinda kicking myself,
'cause I would've liked to be in
Scream 5? 6? I can't remember what number it is.
[upbeat music]
X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
Your little mind games don't work on me.
Victor!
[tense dramatic music]
I was really just following the script
that I was given,
and the script that I was given
outlined these brothers
who were kind of two sides of a coin,
one that
was able to control his rage better than the other
and that the problem with both of them
was that they had this rage in them
which was part of their superpower
but also
part of the trouble.
Initially, I was so excited
when Hugh came to me,
and then I realized,
Oh, this is a superhero thing.
I went to Hugh and I said, There's a suit, right?
And he's like, What do you mean?
I was like,
'Cause, you know, the muscles and everything,
that's not real, is it?
He's like, Ah, mate,
you gotta work out.
That was the beginning of my tutelage,
Hugh teaching me how to train.
There was this part of my toolkit as an actor
that I wasn't taking advantage of,
that I always thought your body is your body
and that, you know,
changing it
was not part of it for me.
And Hugh taught me how to do that.
I was having the time of my life, you know.
I had done a bunch of stunts,
and fight choreography was something I always loved.
And this was just two months of...
Like, I was in heaven.
I was having so much fun.
And building the character with Hugh,
I was working with somebody
that I just
I really enjoyed working with.
Lynn is somebody I had worked with before.
We'd done Hamlet together.
And it was just a great trip.
We were in New Zealand.
We were in Australia.
It was...
I look back on that time,
very fond memories.
[Producer] What led into you
not rejoining later in Logan?
They didn't ask me!
[Liev laughs]
No, I mean...
I don't think it was,
I don't think he was part of that story.
I don't...
He wasn't part of that story.
I would've loved to bring Victor back,
anytime,
anywhere.
But it wasn't part of that narrative.
I'm wondering if I'm getting
a little long in the tooth, so to speak,
but probably not for Sabretooth.
[wood breaking]
[dramatic music]
[Logan yells]
[Logan grunts]
And trying to understand
why Sabretooth is always coming after Wolverine.
It's like, Why is he always coming at him?
And for me,
it made sense when these guys were pitching to me
that they were related,
that they were two sides of the same coin.
And, you know,
I always loved that narrative arc from the comics
that Sabretooth just shows up on his birthday every year
to whoop his ass.
I just thought, You can put that anywhere.
I mean, Ryan did such a great job
with that transition,
'cause I felt like it was,
in many ways,
so antithetical to who that character was in Origins.
But I'm glad
that Ryan was able to correct that mistake.
[upbeat music]
Isle of Dogs.
I've always been a huge fan of Wes.
So when he finally asked me to do something -
and he asked me to play a dog,
which is something that I actually excel at
in my own home;
I'm sort of known for my dog voices -
I was really excited,
'cause I was like,
Not only am I gonna get to work with Wes,
but I'm gonna be right in my sweet spot,
which is dog voices.
And, of course, I get to my first session with Wes
and I'm doing all my silly dog voices,
and he's just like, Yeah, no.
I really,
I really sort of just wanted your voice.
And I was like, Oh. Shit.
That's...
I finally get to do my dog voices
and he really, he just wanted my voice.
You're my new master.
My name is Spots. I'm at your service.
I'll be protecting your welfare and safety
on an ongoing basis.
Part of what's so great about Wes' characters,
especially the animated ones,
they're so human
that he just wants those sort of naturalistic traits
on the animals.
But it was,
it was a really, really thrilling experience for me.
I think Wes is on a very, very particular cinematic journey.
'Cause I've done another film with him -
a couple more.
We just finished Asteroid City,
which is coming out soon.
You'd have to ask Wes this,
but for me, I see the progression
of the films,
and I think that Asteroid City is a natural progression
of the rest of his films.
It's actually a film within a film.
And in terms of the acting on it,
I was really intrigued
by how specific he was about the acting style.
Because I think the progression
in his film
from Bottle Rocket to Asteroid City
is really compelling to me,
how he uses actors
and even the stop motion animation part.
I think it's all part of that,
that there is, I think,
almost a world in which
he wants to merge those two forms,
and in Asteroid City,
I think he does it.
He does a pretty great job of it.
How Wes uses actors
is integral to films.
You know, they're part of his whole thing,
and not everybody can pull that off.
But when you have someone
whose vision is so specific
and clear,
it's really satisfying to let go
of certain elements of control,
knowing that you're gonna go somewhere interesting.
You're gonna be led somewhere
that's gonna be compelling.
[upbeat music]
Spotlight.
Whether Mr. Garabedian is a crank or not,
he says he has documents that prove the cardinal knew.
As I understand it,
those documents are under seal.
Okay. But the fact remains
a Boston priest abused 80 kids.
We have a lawyer who says he can prove Law knew about it,
and we've written all of two stories
in the last six months.
I had been a huge fan
of Marty Baron
as an editor and as a journalist in general.
And I was extremely nervous
going to Washington to meet him.
I just, I couldn't imagine what he was thinking,
like, Who's this guy
from this Ray Donovan show
who's coming to play me?
To my surprise,
it seemed like he was just as nervous.
And so that was a really sort of interesting meeting.
But watching him work
and knowing
how principled he is
and how important it is
for him to hold powerful people accountable
and to speak truth,
to speak,
specifically, to speak truth to power
and how well he's done that.
And what a kind of gift he's been
to the communities that he's worked within
and how often he was not from those communities
was a really interesting story.
And I thought that Tom and Josh
did such a great job showing the isolation
that he felt there,
or that they suspected he felt.
For instance, in Boston,
there was something about his shyness
and his quiet power
that I just thought was interesting
and I thought worked well
with that theme of isolation
that Tom and and Josh had fleshed out in the script.
That is one of the proudest moments in my life
is to have made Marty Baron happy,
'cause I was terrified.
I mean, whenever you're playing characters who exist
or are alive, it's even worse.
It's a lot of responsibility,
particularly when they're people like Marty Baron.
But you just have to kind of trust
that you're not responsible to them.
You're responsible
to the narrative that you've been given,
the script,
and your character is really just playing a role
in something that expresses an idea
and a theme in a particular way.
So if you stick to that,
more often than not,
it's the best way to go.
That's the fun of acting.
That's the fun of making films
is you're handed a script,
you read that script,
and you try to,
as an actor, I think it's our job,
or at least this is what one of my teachers,
Lloyd Richards, used to say,
that an actor is an instrument of the playwright.
You read this script
and you try to figure out
what that playwright is trying to express,
or in the case of a film,
what that screenwriter is trying to express,
and how your role accomplishes that,
what you need to contribute to the film to accomplish that.
And part of what I love about the work
that Tom and Josh do as filmmakers
is that it's a lot of little pieces
that are assembled together
to express something.
And Marty's was a little piece,
but it was a really, really important piece.
And for me,
it was about those people
who have the courage
to hold powerful entities, organizations, accountable.
I really feel like Marty,
as an editor,
spoke to a time
when journalists were very, very reliable.
[upbeat music]
A Small Light.
And once we're up and running,
we'll need more people.
So why don't you come back in a few months?
My parents are gonna make me marry my brother
if I don't get a job.
But it's not as bad as it sounds.
I'm adopted.
But still,
would you want to marry your brother?
Most people know the story of Anne Frank.
It's kind of been in American curriculum for a while.
Hopefully it stays there.
People are challenging that now.
But not everybody knows Miep Gies,
who is the woman who actually hid the Frank family
for almost two years
and fed them
and kept them alive until they were found.
I think seeing that story
from a new perspective
is part of what keeps it fresh.
I think the other thing that keeps it fresh
is Bel's performance.
I also think Tony and Joan's script,
trying to make it have a contemporary feel
really helps you understand
how these things have a way
of repeating themselves.
And so I do think it's important
that we teach a new generation
about these stories, that, you know
for some reason, anti-Semitism is on the rise again.
And it's like, we have to check it,
we have to look at it,
and we have to go, No. No hate. No lies.
We can't do it.
You know?
And you have to remind people what happened
and what the truth is.
And I think to do that in a compelling way,
certainly for future generations,
you have to come at it with a fresh story
and a fresh idea.
It's your birthday!
And your wife called this morning
and asked if I'd surprise you with a cake.
But we got really busy and we worked through lunch.
I didn't have time to go out.
But there's a really nice bakery just down there.
So either you come with me
and I'll buy you a cake
or please just explain to your wife that I tried,
because frankly, I find her quite scary.
She's very intimidating.
With someone like Otto, I get,
you know, the pressure's on,
because it's a sort of a very, very well-known character
and has been interpreted many times before.
But, again, you just gotta lean into
what the script you've been given is trying to do.
What's the arc of that script
and how do you help express it
through your character?
You know,
the people at the Anne Frank House in Amsterdam
and Anne Frank House in LA
were all really, really generous with me
in terms of giving me footage
and resources and material.
I was trying to find,
as you do in this situation,
I was trying to find things I hadn't seen before
for a real,
you know, to have a fresh take on it.
And so I was kind of interested
in what were the things
that Otto didn't want published in Anne's diary,
and getting to see some of those
and knowing how much he was struggling
within his own family dynamic
for that period of time
when they were locked up at Opekta.
That was a really interesting thing to know,
how much he was struggling in his marriage
and couldn't do anything about it.
He couldn't be alone
and work it out.
He had to sort of tough it out
for that period,
surrounded by people all the time.
And just those little nuances
and details of someone's humanity
kind of make it feel,
hopefully, a little bit more relatable.
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